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Well, I'm looking for headphones for home use. For travel/work etc., I have Phonak Audéo PFE 112 In-Ears and am fairly content with them:

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I don't like in-ears at all but I read good stuff about Grado, especially from people listenning to Metal. After, it's just a question of budget.

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To be honest, I wouldn't use in-ears if I didn't have to, but on the bus etc., they're pretty much the only alternative that provides the necessary degree of isolation of outside noise. I wouldn't want to walk around with a bulky pair of closed circumaural headphones. At home, the matter is quite different, of course.

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I'm very nervous about receiving it and afraid I may put it on and think "Fuck, that's even worse".

Well, what can I say - they arrived this evening, and the above is pretty much what happened. :/

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I'm very nervous about receiving it and afraid I may put it on and think "Fuck, that's even worse".

Well, what can I say - they arrived this evening, and the above is pretty much what happened. :/


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I've looked at the HD 600, too, but to be honest, I absolutely hate the design! :( The even cheaper 598 would be more appealing.

Man, the 598s are beige. I mean, beige...!!! How is that better than looking exactly like faux-marble-effect 650s? :D

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I'm very nervous about receiving it and afraid I may put it on and think "Fuck, that's even worse".

Well, what can I say - they arrived this evening, and the above is pretty much what happened. :/

Bit of a dilemma there - you'd really need to burn in both pairs to get a true picture of sound and fit comfort, which may not be possible if you've got a limited time to return them. And might be a waste of time anyway, if you still don't get on with either of them.

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I'm very nervous about receiving it and afraid I may put it on and think "Fuck, that's even worse".

Well, what can I say - they arrived this evening, and the above is pretty much what happened. :/


oh dear... hugs... :)

Thanks, mate... :) The thing is, now I don't have any money left to try another pair, so I'll have to return at least one (preferably both) and wait for the refund before ordering something else. That's quite impractical since I won't be able to make any direct comparisons. :(

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I've looked at the HD 600, too, but to be honest, I absolutely hate the design! :( The even cheaper 598 would be more appealing.

Man, the 598s are beige. I mean, beige...!!! How is that better than looking exactly like faux-marble-effect 650s? :D

It's like the fine distinction between cheesy and pleasantly/elegantly mellow Doom, and as such very much a matter of subjective perception. I find the 600s terribly cheesy. But perhaps they'd look better 'in real life', it's possible the pictures don't do them justice.

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I'm very nervous about receiving it and afraid I may put it on and think "Fuck, that's even worse".

Well, what can I say - they arrived this evening, and the above is pretty much what happened. :/

Bit of a dilemma there - you'd really need to burn in both pairs to get a true picture of sound and fit comfort, which may not be possible if you've got a limited time to return them. And might be a waste of time anyway, if you still don't get on with either of them.

I have to say I'm sceptical about this legend of burning in headphones... But in any case the overall tendency shouldn't change dramatically, so if I don't like it at all, burning them in probably won't do much good anyway.

The Beyerdynamic DT 880 weren't bad: very comfortable, very precise and detailed, but unfortunately they're totally unable to reproduce the lowest frequencies, resulting in an all-too noticeable absence of bass punch. I'm not a bass fetishist by any means, but the bass needs to be there when it belongs there without overpowering everything else. The latter is what happens with the Fidelio X1, where the mid- and upper range sound muddy even compared to my closed (!) HD 280. If I could find a headphone similar to the Beyer, but with a more noticeable bass and a slight reduction of the barely audible upper highs (which sometimes sound unnatural with those headphones due to the infamous 'Beyer peak'), I'd be happy.

One good thing I have to say about the X1, though, is that they produce almost no ambient noise on my amp, whereas the Beyer are so hypersensitive that the ambient noise it terribly loud (which makes it almost impossible to enjoy calmer recordings such as solo piano performances). I'm not sure whether this can have something to do with impedance... Another funny thing is that I can even keep the X1 on when making push-ups, which doesn't even work with the closed HD 280. :D This can be seen as practical, but seeing as I am looking for comfortable headphones above all, it's not really what I'm looking for.

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Do you not have the possibilty to try a few headphones at a local hi-fi dealer?

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Yeah, I was wondering the same. I think the more you look at the vastness of the virtually possible choices, the less you'll be happy with what you eventually bought; you'll turn loony.
Just make do with the stuff available in the stores in your aera.

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Unfortunately, the stores don't have anything seriously worth considering, only some standard models for all those people whose hearing has been blasted to death anyway. That's not enough for me. Plus, their rates will be even higher than those I have to pay online. I bought the two models via Amazon Warehouse Deals, which can be considerably cheaper. For the X1, for instance, I easily would have paid 100-150 € more at a shop (not that I can think of any that might have it). I don't have that kind of money lying around.

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no, no... you go to the shop, you try them and then you buy them online more cheaply... it's called window shopping... :D

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Yes, I've been considering that, but then I'd still need a shop with a decent selection of headphones.

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Yes, I've been considering that, but then I'd still need a shop with a decent selection of headphones.



that's true... can't remember where you live, but don't you have a big city not too far away?

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The problem is that you need a really good shop to find this kind of specialised hardware. Anyway, I went to the biggest electronic entertainment store in town today, and their selection wasn't great, but still better than expected: at least I got to try a Sennheiser HD 598 and I have to say I liked it more than the two I've bought. But that's a vague impression since I couldn't make a direct comparison, plus they may sound very different connected to my own equipment. But I compared them to the cheaper models HD 508 and 558, and the 598 were the clear winners. In all, they sounded very much like the allround solution I'm looking for. Unfortunately, I have to agree with endemoniada about the design now: as soon as I saw the real thing, I hated it. Furthermore, the build quality seemed below par. The HD 600 is supposed to be very similar in all, though. Too bad it's almost twice as expensive and looks just as ugly. But it seems like I'll end up with a Sennheiser model again after all... I heard there's a rather specialised Hi-Fi shop somewhere in town; guess I should check it out and see whether they have the HD 600 or 650 to test there, and possibly also alternative models by Beyerdynamic (quality made in Germany in both cases! :cool:), namely DT990 or DT770... And then there's also the Sony MA900 which might be of interest. My head explodes even without headphones on!

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My life has beenturning into such a chaos lately. I just feel the need to tell this to someone, or to write about it. So confused atm ... :/

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That doesn't sound too good! :/ But chaos can mean many things, and I hope it's not one of the worse kinds of chaos! Feel free to write at any time, just don't expect an in-depth response right away since things are rather chaotic on my end, too. :;):

The headphones issue hasn't become any less complicated in the meanwhile, by the way. Out of curiosity, which model(s) are you using, endemoniada_88?

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Out of curiosity, which model(s) are you using, endemoniada_88?



A model which will keep the noise out when he is driving the van... :D

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Out of curiosity, which model(s) are you using, endemoniada_88?



A model which will keep the noise out when he is driving the van... :D

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I'm currently on my second set of Sennheiser HDR120-II's (it's actually the RS120-II RF setup, but I only had to replace the headset rather than the base station as well) - they're still the best and most comfortable open wireless combination I could find.

They're quieter than equivalent wired 'phones, but I haven't found any noticeable drop in quality of reproduction, despite the encode/transmit system supposedly being lossy to some extent. In fact, to my ears, the analogue RF signal beats the later lossless digital models hands-down on warmth, reception reliability and signal distance. I tried upgrading to the much more expensive digital RS180s a while back, and found them nowhere near as good. (Some of this could, of course, be because I'm old and have battered my hearing sensitivity with a lifetime of loud music and motorcycling... :D).

Anyway, they do have some minor flaws - adequately covered in the Amazon reviews, especially the auto-off function - but as an all-round package, for me, they punched way above their price range at the time. And they now cost under half that, so it wasn't a difficult choice to stick with replacing the headset!

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So what was the end result with the 'phones, then, d.? Did you get something sorted out?

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Out of curiosity, which model(s) are you using, endemoniada_88?



A model which will keep the noise out when he is driving the van... :D

I'm currently on my second set of Sennheiser HDR120-II's (it's actually the RS120-II RF setup, but I only had to replace the headset rather than the base station as well) - they're still the best and most comfortable open wireless combination I could find.

They're quieter than equivalent wired 'phones, but I haven't found any noticeable drop in quality of reproduction, despite the encode/transmit system supposedly being lossy to some extent. In fact, to my ears, the analogue RF signal beats the later lossless digital models hands-down on warmth, reception reliability and signal distance. I tried upgrading to the much more expensive digital RS180s a while back, and found them nowhere near as good. (Some of this could, of course, be because I'm old and have battered my hearing sensitivity with a lifetime of loud music and motorcycling... :D).

Anyway, they do have some minor flaws - adequately covered in the Amazon reviews, especially the auto-off function - but as an all-round package, for me, they punched way above their price range at the time. And they now cost under half that, so it wasn't a difficult choice to stick with replacing the headset!

I've been meaning to comment on this ever since you first posted it. I skimmed through some reviews and specs and indeed, there seem to be some considerable downsides to this model. On the whole, I have to say that I'm sceptical about both on-ear and wireless headphones, but this is very much a question of preference and also depends on the environment/circumstances you're using them in/under. I've heard quite a number of different models in the meantime and have come to the conclusion that headphones an extremely individual matter. Then there's also the problem that one model may be better suited for a specific style of music (or even album!) than another, and vice versa. So:

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So what was the end result with the 'phones, then, d.? Did you get something sorted out?

I decided for a combined solution for the time being - AKG K612 Pro (open) and Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro 80 Ohms (closed). The AKG is a great and very comfortable allrounder and excellent value for money while the Beyer is reserved for those albums which simply require more bass power and immersion. They will also be the model of choice for recordings and for situations where there's too much background noise to use open headphones. Sennheiser HD 600 is a very good model, too; slightly warmer than the AKG, resulting in a smooth, laid-back listening experience. However, they failed to make up for the far higher price with any noticeable increase in sound stage or precision. Currently in stock (overkill...):

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Upper row (more or less the 'shit row') left to right: my old Sennheiser earplugs, Sennheiser HD 600 (will be returned), Sennheiser HD 280 (my old studio model).
Lower row (those that will continue to be used): Phonak Audéo PFE 112 in-ears w/ Sansa Clip+, AKG K612, Beyerdynamic DT-770.

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The Philips Fidelio X1 is the clear loser of all the models I've tested, but there's one thing to be said in its favour (apart from the cool design): it allows for the shortest possible signal path from the source device, as illustrated below:
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(Sorry for the large pictures, but I'm too lazy to resize and re-upload them now. :p)

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