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Author:  Kastrophee [ Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:35 pm ]
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... exist.html

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Using 'Miss' and 'Mrs' has been banned by leaders of the European Union because they are not considered politically correct.

Brussels bureaucrats have decided the words are sexist and issued new guidelines in its bid to create 'gender-neutral' language.

The booklet warns European politicians they must avoid referring to a woman's marital status.

This also means Madame and Mademoiselle, Frau and Fraulein and Senora and Senorita are banned.

Instead of using the standard titles, it is asking MEPs to address women by their names.

And the rules have not stopped there - they also ban MEPs saying sportsmen and statesmen, advising athletes and political leaders should be used instead.

Man-made is also taboo - it should be artificial or synthetic, firemen is disallowed and air hostesses should be called flight attendants.

Headmasters and headmistresses must be heads or head teachers, laymen becomes layperson, and manageress or mayoress should be manager or mayor.

Police officers must be used instead of policeman and policewoman unless the officer's sex is relevant.

The only problem words that do not fit into the guidelines are waiter and waitress, which means MEPs are at least spared one worry when ordering a coffee.

They have reacted with incredulity to the booklet, which has been sent out by the Secretary General of the European Parliament.

Scottish Tory MEP Struan Stevenson described the guidelines as 'political correctness gone mad'.

He said: 'This is frankly ludicrous. We've seen the EU institutions try to ban the bagpipes and dictate the shape of bananas, but now they seem determined to tell us which words we are entitled to use in our own language.

'Gender-neutrality is really the last straw. The Thought Police are now on the rampage in the European Parliament.

'We will soon be told that the use of the words "man" or "woman" has been banned in case it causes offence to those who consider 'gender neutrality' an essential part of life.'

West Midlands Conservative MEP Philip Bradbourn is calling on the Secretary General to reveal who authorised the publication of the booklet and how much it has cost.

He described it as 'a waste of taxpayers' money' and 'an erosion of the English language as we know it'.

'I will have no part of it. I will continue to use my own language and expressions, which I have used all my life, and will not be instructed by this institution or anyone else in these matters,' he said.

'I shall also expect the many translators who sit in the European parliament to translate accurately the language I use. I find this publication offensive in the extreme.

'The Parliament, by the publication of this document, is not only bringing itself as an institution into more disrepute than it already suffers, but it is also showing that it has succumbed to the politically correct clap-trap currently in vogue.'


Now this is one of the stupidest things I have ever read...

Author:  thx1138 [ Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:29 pm ]
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Heh, the EU thought police. Being called Mrs or Miss is sexist? Is anyone actually offended by being called that? I highly doubt it. This is typical of the kind of bollocks those idiots in Brussels waste their time (and everyone elses money) on.

Author:  Ihsiin [ Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:15 pm ]
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Does anyone really take any notice of the EU?
Does anyone really take any notice of the Daily Mail?

Author:  thx1138 [ Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:21 am ]
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But if it's in the Daily Mail it must be true :p

Author:  Worm of Na'Ruq [ Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:01 am ]
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I somehow think it is fair. I'm often called Mr. despite not married and noone gives a fuck, but for women it has a classifying effect as if it was important if they are married or not -if you just talk. Seems almost like if women were some property that needs to be marked. Or in different words, as if someone's marriage status were important to how we talk. Support.

Author:  rasim [ Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:21 pm ]
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Worm of Na'Ruq wrote:
I somehow think it is fair. I'm often called Mr. despite not married and noone gives a fuck, but for women it has a classifying effect as if it was important if they are married or not -if you just talk. Seems almost like if women were some property that needs to be marked. Or in different words, as if someone's marriage status were important to how we talk. Support.


I didn't see any reasons to ban Mr. and Mrs. but now it makes sense. In that point of view, I support, too.

Author:  muffin man [ Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:55 pm ]
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that's a valid point, but regardless of if a woman is married or not they still have no rite to dictate how to address someone based on how PC that want the world to be. this is all bull shit.

Author:  Worm of Na'Ruq [ Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:58 pm ]
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muffin man wrote:
that's a valid point, but regardless of if a woman is married or not they still have no rite to dictate how to address someone based on how PC that want the world to be. this is all bull shit.

Nope. Meanings are constituted within the structures that are realized through the use of language. You can alter certain meanings that stimulate human action by changing certain ways of how language is used. The question is whether one should. But when it comes to languages, usually feminity is an object of power in the structure of language. In different words, I seek to go to the edge of my grammar's possibility when it comes to formulating my thoughts related to gender. I think its fair and somewhat emancipatory. And I disprove the use of Mrs/Miss in order to associate feminity with its status-as-object instead of allowing it to develop its own subjectivity within the grammar.

Author:  perennialsorrow [ Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:04 am ]
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you guys are a bunch of pussies.

it doesn't matter if you APPROVE of language or not, supporting a ban on certain types of it is outright ridiculous. you cannot regulate vocal chords, you can just deal with the shit you don't like. tryng to repress speech is like trying to tell people that they can't have sex. impossible.

Author:  Worm of Na'Ruq [ Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:15 pm ]
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perennialsorrow wrote:
you guys are a bunch of pussies.

it doesn't matter if you APPROVE of language or not, supporting a ban on certain types of it is outright ridiculous. you cannot regulate vocal chords, you can just deal with the shit you don't like. tryng to repress speech is like trying to tell people that they can't have sex. impossible.

Bollocks, language is the nexus of all social life. And this is quite contra-Orwellian. The more certain logics bind you to a use of language, the less totalizing may be its powers. And contra chords ( I contend that your comparison was inadequate), which are limited to certain tones, within most languages, you can usually say the same thing in many ways, not to mention numbers of different words - so disapproving one form just transfers itself to the others.

Author:  perennialsorrow [ Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:17 pm ]
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you are just spewing bullshit that has nothing to do with what i said, so i am going to just assume we are not arguing the same thing.

Author:  muffin man [ Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:27 pm ]
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Worm of Na'Ruq wrote:
muffin man wrote:
that's a valid point, but regardless of if a woman is married or not they still have no rite to dictate how to address someone based on how PC that want the world to be. this is all bull shit.

Nope. Meanings are constituted within the structures that are realized through the use of language. You can alter certain meanings that stimulate human action by changing certain ways of how language is used. The question is whether one should. But when it comes to languages, usually feminity is an object of power in the structure of language. In different words, I seek to go to the edge of my grammar's possibility when it comes to formulating my thoughts related to gender. I think its fair and somewhat emancipatory. And I disprove the use of Mrs/Miss in order to associate feminity with its status-as-object instead of allowing it to develop its own subjectivity within the grammar.


your over complicating an argument in hopes that we wont understand you, but the only part of this with any really significance is that they're attempting to repress the right to free speech, and that point is undeniable no matter how big the words you use are.

Author:  thx1138 [ Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:01 pm ]
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muffin man wrote:
Worm of Na'Ruq wrote:
muffin man wrote:
that's a valid point, but regardless of if a woman is married or not they still have no rite to dictate how to address someone based on how PC that want the world to be. this is all bull shit.

Nope. Meanings are constituted within the structures that are realized through the use of language. You can alter certain meanings that stimulate human action by changing certain ways of how language is used. The question is whether one should. But when it comes to languages, usually feminity is an object of power in the structure of language. In different words, I seek to go to the edge of my grammar's possibility when it comes to formulating my thoughts related to gender. I think its fair and somewhat emancipatory. And I disprove the use of Mrs/Miss in order to associate feminity with its status-as-object instead of allowing it to develop its own subjectivity within the grammar.


your over complicating an argument in hopes that we wont understand you, but the only part of this with any really significance is that they're attempting to repress the right to free speech, and that point is undeniable no matter how big the words you use are.


Maybe you are over-simplifying, I mean we as men might not care about being called Mr but Mrs or Miss do have additional meanings: Mrs if you are married and Miss if you arent whereas Mr just means you are of the male sex, you'll be called Mr regardless of your marital status. I mean, from my male viewpoint I think the whole thing is stupid but to a woman where terms such as Mrs or Miss actually catagorize you as married or not then it is maybe a little different.

Author:  Akashic Sloth [ Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:18 pm ]
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I love how some people in this thread are trying to be "understanding" towards banning a word, you silly little sheep you.

Author:  thx1138 [ Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:33 pm ]
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Nope, I just like to talk shit on the internet.
Would you call us sheep if the word was nigger or something like that? Or if I called your grandma a cunt, after all it's just a word and speech is free (not that I would be so rude as to say that word in the presence of anyones grandma). But yeah, you cannot suppress words but there are times and places where certain words are not needed.
I think I've just proven my initial statement to be true :D

Author:  Akashic Sloth [ Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:39 pm ]
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You did not prove anything you silly skinhead grandma-hater, you originally talked about a general standpoint and yet now you are using mine...I do not speak for the whole "nigger" race or all of the "grandma cunts" of the world, just myself...and personally, in all seriousness, I don't really care.
I'm just in my room smoking, listening to Tom Waites singing about a lying bitch in Minneapolis, wondering why I'm typing this and comin' up with no real answers just like the rest of you.
:grumpy:

Author:  Ihsiin [ Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:02 pm ]
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It's funny how every argument I've ever seen in this forum always ends with "I don't care".
That's doomster apathy for you.

Author:  Akashic Sloth [ Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:02 am ]
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Ihsiin wrote:
It's funny how every argument I've ever seen in this forum always ends with "I don't care".
That's doomster apathy for you.

Because the shit on these forums are so much to care about, right?
There's absolutely nothing more to life than caring about the shit going on here, eh? Screw personal problems, doom metal . com is serious business.

Author:  thx1138 [ Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:48 am ]
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Akashic Sloth wrote:
You did not prove anything you silly skinhead grandma-hater, you originally talked about a general standpoint and yet now you are using mine...I do not speak for the whole "nigger" race or all of the "grandma cunts" of the world, just myself...and personally, in all seriousness, I don't really care.
I'm just in my room smoking, listening to Tom Waites singing about a lying bitch in Minneapolis, wondering why I'm typing this and comin' up with no real answers just like the rest of you.
:grumpy:


No, I meant I just proved that I talk shit on the internet. I also meant that words that seem fine to some aren't fine to others. Two such words being that C and that N word, as one is crude and the other highly insulting.

Author:  muffin man [ Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:51 am ]
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ohh how i love this forum for some twisted reason.... but seriusly how did this go from hating the EU big brother to rantign about people's grandmas???

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