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Richard Dawkins-Enemies of reason
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Author:  Johnson [ Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:42 pm ]
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I do not well understand that.

Author:  ||||| [ Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:58 am ]
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those who view these kinds of things in a purely scientific way are missing the point. totally missing the point. religion, mythology, superstition, all that stuff is a reaction to the fact that people, and therefore science, has not figured everything out. it is a psychological issue mostly involving the subconscious. most scientists and even a lot of philosophers are dull fucking one sided thinkers with no trace of spirituality and who probably don't even meditate. or do you not believe in that either?

Author:  Okkultus [ Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:07 am ]
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||||| wrote:
those who view these kinds of things in a purely scientific way are missing the point. totally missing the point. religion, mythology, superstition, all that stuff is a reaction to the fact that people, and therefore science, has not figured everything out. it is a psychological issue mostly involving the subconscious. most scientists and even a lot of philosophers are dull fucking one sided thinkers with no trace of spirituality and who probably don't even meditate.


Exactly.

Most of us are missing the point altogether.

Science is also a form of religion, in a way. And it's so close-minded that it hurts.


@Johnson: in my view, if you are just science-sided, and need material PROOF for everything, and don't "believe" in any kind of spirituality, you are just cold, dead meat existing in only your own rotting "material dimension". You have no idea what you are missing here.

Author:  Doominion [ Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:10 pm ]
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||||| wrote:
who probably don't even meditate.



hahahah! They don't even meditate! How do they cope?!

Author:  Johnson [ Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:31 pm ]
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Oh good god; someone save me now. Your arguement is so petty and feeble it hurts. I don't deny there is a god; but I doubt there is a god. That is because I see no reasonable or persuasive evidence or argument to lead me to think otherwise.
It is you (who seem to wrap religion up with "spirituality" and meditation into one whole concept) who bear the burden of responsibility for your claims.
I have never denied (not once) that there is no more to life than the merely physical. I could talk with experience and enthusuasm about OBEs or telekinesis or hauntings for instance.
But as seems to be the usual case you are ready to jump into attack mode at the first sign of resistance to the totally unreasonable concept of religion.

Author:  Okkultus [ Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:59 pm ]
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Johnson wrote:
Oh good god; someone save me now. Your arguement is so petty and feeble it hurts. I don't deny there is a god; but I doubt there is a god. That is because I see no reasonable or persuasive evidence or argument to lead me to think otherwise.
It is you (who seem to wrap religion up with "spirituality" and meditation into one whole concept) who bear the burden of responsibility for your claims.
I have never denied (not once) that there is no more to life than the merely physical. I could talk with experience and enthusuasm about OBEs or telekinesis or hauntings for instance.
But as seems to be the usual case you are ready to jump into attack mode at the first sign of resistance to the totally unreasonable concept of religion.


This is what I hate about the Internet - people constantly misinterpreting each other's words. There was nothing hostile in my reply, sorry if it seemed that way, I didn't even talk about you, just pointed the finger to that kind of people you seemed to represent in your comment. Oh and I didn't talk about religion there, spirituality doesn't equal religion. I am not even religious, although I am interested in world religions, their origins and so on...
Nevermind anyway...I just tried to clear some of my points.

Author:  Johnson [ Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:31 pm ]
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Oh come on. Nothing hostile? I can think of very little that could be as utterly offensive as telling someone that has no belief in "spirituality" (whatever that is) to be, and I quote: 'just cold, dead meat existing in only your own rotting "material dimension"'. How much more arrogant, insolent and obnoxious could one possibly be?
So even if I was to say that I had no belief in "spirituality" - does that then mean I cannot appreciate and be moved by great art? By literature? Poetry? Good music? A glorious English winter landscape? And any less than yourself?
Anyone with a love for truth outside themselves has to start with no belief in God (or the supernatural) and then look for evidence.

Author:  Okkultus [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:17 pm ]
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Never mind.

Cheers

Author:  Johnson [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:53 pm ]
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What a cop out.

Author:  Killinger [ Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:39 am ]
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I like Richard Dawkins, but he seems to have a bit of a "I'm better than you cuz I'm not religious" attitude to him. Kind of defeats the purpose of being a logical and rational non believer if he acts like the biblethumpers do.

Was he the one that coined the phrase "religion makes moral people do immoral things" ?

Author:  Johnson [ Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:53 pm ]
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Killinger wrote:
I like Richard Dawkins, but he seems to have a bit of a "I'm better than you cuz I'm not religious" attitude to him.


As stated above, I quite disagree.

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