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Is it time for the US to split into 2 or more countries? It doesn't appear to be working as one, and hasn't done for some time.

Geographically the major east coast and west coast democratic states seem to have the same social and political aspirations as to how they want their country run. Travelling between them would require the cooperation of the republican country inbetween, but no one said they couldn't remain friends.

It's hard to see how they can go forward as one nation. If Trump wins again, and I suspect he will, it will have the same outcome on the country as if Biden wins, and he might. Either way they will end up tearing each other apart. I think we are witnessing the decline and fall of an empire.

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What we are seeing in the US and in the UK, and which I suspect will spread through Europe, is a new social/political movement demanding a different system and it being backed by many in the media and by many politicians. The revolution is being driven predominately by Millennials and generation Z, and it is incompatible with the established capitalist system signalling tears at bedtime.

The change they seek they are being told is Socialism, but it isn’t because Socialism is as much an economic system as it is a social one, and fundamentally Socialism is built on human rights not civil rights. The new system being sought is actually a form of Identity politics driven Liberalism relying on a soft capitalist economic system. In my opinion this can only end one of 5 ways,

The 2 systems go their different ways, peacefully
The 2 systems go their different ways, violently
One system capitulates to the other peacefully and quietly sulks
One system capitulates to the other violently and forms an underground resistance
The 2 systems compromise and live together happily ever after in a hybrid solution

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The reason why I think this is a serious revolutionary movement is because of the scale of it. We are not talking about a few thousand Civil Rights activists, a few thousand looters, a few thousand revolutionists. We are talking about at least a generation if not two of people that have politicians that claim to represent them and they vote for, and a significant section of the media that claim to support them. We are talking about half the people of the countries involved. Not only that, but it is who these people are, they are predominately Millennials, they are angry and they feel they have little to lose.

They have been handed down goals and aspirations from their parents that are no longer achievable and they feel failures. The capitalist system has left them in such a place that they may never afford a home, have to live pay check to pay check, have little job security or worker rights, and who resented us, the Boomer Generation, for letting this happen.

They have turned their backs on their parents values, morality and concepts of relationships and family, and we have responded by calling them the lost generation. They have turned their backs on capitalism as many graduates will never get a job, many expect to work only part-time and get minimum wage zero hour contracts, many expect to slide into poverty or the underclass, many are naive, live on social media, and are easily manipulated. They have been told that a form of Identity politics Liberalism with no defined economic infrastructure will save them, and they believe it.

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How did we get here?

It is partly to do with the nature of capitalism itself, which is to eat itself. Bigger fish eat littler fish, and the bigger fish gets eaten by an even bigger one until you end up with a few enormous fishes and millions of tiny fish that are not worth eating. Money, which is power, flows upwards and it doesn’t flow linearly. The poor in 1st world countries get richer at the expense of the poorer in 3rd world countries, and like a slinky spring despite one generation getting better off, future generations fall back to become poorer than their parents. Gradually the rich get richer and poor get poorer and middle class slip into working class and working class slip into underclass.

Pre-Boomer generations like my parents and the generation before them fought the factory owning middle class merchants for living wages and decent working conditions, so that people like me of the Boomer generation, would reap the benefits they had won, and build on them to ensure our children would have a better future. The capitalist control system that my parents, grandparents and great grandparents experienced was draconian, Victorian and quite brutal, but this was replaced with the almost self-policing control system of consumerism.

My generation banked the money by buying houses, forcing the prices up until our children couldn't afford them anymore, keeping up with the Jones, and buying so much crap we had to buy bigger houses to put it in. My generation stopped fighting because we were comfortable and now, thanks to consumerism , we had stuff to lose. Over the years we let working conditions slip away, wages decline, we turned a blind eye to detrimental changes to hiring and firing practices, promotion processes, erosion of pensions, guaranteed working hours. In 80s UK we had Prime Minister called Thatcher, as who in a single stroke of genius introduced home ownership, selling off the council houses, and in doing so enslaved the entire working class with mortgages. Once you had a mortgage you couldn't afford to go on strike and as if to demonstrate this she destroyed the mining community and the whole country watched silently in fear as they saw the banks evict miners from their homes, thinking there by the grace of god.... In some ways you can’t blame the capitalist system for where we are. That would be like blaming a lion for eating you. It is a system run by predators and what do you expect from predators, tuck me in Sergeant Major and kiss me goodnight? My generation was responsible for making sure the next had a future regardless of the system.

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In 80s UK we had Prime Minister called Thatcher, as who in a single stroke of genius introduced home ownership, selling off the council houses, and in doing so enslaved the entire working class with mortgages.


Well, it was a stroke of genius indeed... were you in Bristol pulling down the statue too?

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Well, no one got hurt, no shops got looted, no one lost their livelihood, and most importantly, no pubs were damaged, and the youngsters all had a good time, so all's well that ends well. A few things did annoy me though.

No one appeared to be bothered about the statue before the demonstration. It had been knocking around Bristol for some time, there were no debates about it, no petitions raised to have it removed that I'm aware of. Indeed, I suspect most never realised it was of Edward Colston, or what Colston had been up to in the West Indies hundreds of years ago.

No one asked me if I wanted it taken down. I would have probably said yes, but it would have been nice to have been asked. I'm not sure who gave the protesters the right to decide for me.

After the event the media was full of 'Colston the Slave Trader', justifying the act. Where were the media campaigns to have the statue removed before the event?

The Major of Bristol Marvin Rees came out in support of the protesters, when he was fully aware the statue was there, and said and did nothing about it until it was pulled down. Now he's a self-proclaimed hero of the people. He's even claimimg his Jamacan heriatage proves he's a decendent of slaves and makes him so much more virtuous.

Looking at the news of the rioting in the US, the destruction and the violence, I feel quite happy to be living in England's Mild, Mild West, especially in Bristol, home of Blackbeard. Now surely no one has anything bad to say about Blackbeard?


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Beerman wrote:
Now surely no one has anything bad to say about Blackbeard?


No... :D

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The statue of Arnold Schwarzenegger was vandalized during millennial rage riot in Columbus. They didn't say why, but clearly it's because of his part in the enslavement of the human race when he was a Terminator. The thing is, since he came back from the future he has reformed and has spent his time inspiring youngsters in bodybuilding, making amends for his past sins. Do we not believe in redemption?

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Things are moving along in the good ol' USA. Could be a big bust up at the Trump rally in Oklahoma. It could be the thing that splits them up if guns are used. I shall get some beers in.

If the resigning, sacked and defund police in the blue states are looking for somewhere to go they could always be employed by the governors of surrounding red states and put on boarder duty.

Don't know about flags though. Who gets the Stars and Stripes? I thought Trump would go for the confederate flag as the blue states seem to hate the people of the south so much, but then I saw him hugging the Stars and Stripes so I don't think he would. Maybe if the red states go for the Stars and Stripes and the blue states go for the Confederacy flag that would work.

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Looks like the young un's want to tear down Mount Rushmore. Wow! What have Deep Purple ever done to them?





Maybe they are decendents of slave traders?

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