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I'm a bit bemused by the current vogue for both self- and label- releases to be quite so centred around analogue media at the moment. I mean, as someone who grew up with that, it's fairly undeniable that both tape and LP naturally degrade with use, regardless of how shit-hot your hi-fi setup might be. And, OK, as the cheapest of all cheap options, tape never really went away in the same way vinyl did, and I can absolutely get why that's still an appropriate format for releases that don't need a pin-sharp medium to put their (probably demo) point across. But, seriously, whilst I kind of welcome the "vinyl revival" on both nostalgic and ritualistic grounds - it's kind of nice to take the time out to listen to a release on full-fat hi-fi, and have full-size packaging to refer back to while you do - what's driving that amongst younger bands and labels, who grew up with CDs as the default - and supposedly indestructible - medium of choice, or the even later arrivistes who came into a fully digital/download world? I'd love to understand why it is you guys, whether as bands or labels, seem to be actively regressing to technologies that were considered flawed and obsolete 30-odd years ago. What do you look for from these analogue platforms, and why do you want them, would be my question. I already know why they appeal to my retro nature, but I'm seriously curious as to why that's also a thing for those without the "retro" (or "old", if you rprefer) background. Genuinely, all answers welcome...

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Following... :D

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My dad never stopped collecting and playing vinyl so grew up with it, and started my own collection in early teens, so don't think I am a typical case and can't really answer.

Absurd Speculation: Well a lot of my unusual for my age and extremely interests whilst growing up are now very fashionable. Hipsters must just think I am the great trendsetter I guess. Scumbags.

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I bought a vinyl player some years ago... Got the mind contaminated by some geek talkings on the Internet... Now, I never touch it and the small colection I gathered is stocked in a cupboard I never open. I'm more and more limiting my purchases to digital files, what I couldn't bet a dime on when it all started, I mean I couldn't expect me to be able to renounce so easily to a solid, physical -dust-gathering- collection.

Now, a really good amplifier is still the piece of hifi I value the most, and I love listening to a real record, be it cd or vinyl on my vintage hifi system. But as I work home, I'm using the computer to browse through my music and the sound quality isn't the best, to say the least...!

That beaing said, I still buy some solid cds once in a while, but not for the added value of a booklet or of a good design, just to add an actual 'object' to my already substantial series of other objects, in a pure craving for materialistic profusion.

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I must say I hardly use my old Rega Planar 2 these days... and I'm buying more and more digital releases... sad, but true...

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Actually I have a feeling that people who grew up with vinyl have a harder time understanding the vinyl resurgence. As I understand it, while the technology was at its peak in the 70s it was mass produced, so the goal was to keep it affordable - both the actual records and most turntables. Similar to nowadays digital releases - the practical aspect usually takes over the hi-fi demands. So for а lot of people back then it was really a flawed medium - vinyl is both hard and expensive to do right, needs a lot of maintenance, and while the record production had obvious benefits back then (printing millions of a record means you can throw the first few thousand, people understood how to master vinyl better, etc) most people's turntables were usually scruffy at best=)

Nowadays, excluding the not-so-small portion of hype/hipster related target audience, people who listen to vinyl do to it solely for the purpose of audio quality. Therefore the market has shifted, putting the emphasis on quality. It's a rather expensive and time consuming hobby nowadays and much more care is applied to it. And since there are so many alternatives to listening to music, the records get less play-time, therefore the degradation is not so serious an issue.

Why underground bands focus on vinyl is something I've also wondered. It's way more expensive, usually in numbers below 500 where profit is probably non-existent and most of the music does not have any audio qualities to boast on vinyl. Maybe it's status - the fact that you released a vinyl, maybe it's an attempt to assume credibility as anti-mainstream. No idea. I'm still glad they do - I like listening to raw and noisy demos on vinyl a lot=)))

Personally, I grew up with tapes entirely, then had a short CD period, then digital only for a decade. Now I have two average hi-fi systems, both have good turntables, one has a CD player and still mostly listen on my small PC speakers. Nevertheless, vinyl provides the best experience for me, entirely subjective of course=)


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klamerin wrote:
vinyl provides the best experience for me, entirely subjective of course=)


for me too... but I just can't be bothered now... BTW, musically I grew up in the '70s, with both tapes and LPs... I always hated tapes, for the lower quality and the fact they only lasted x amount of plays... on the other hand, I looked after my LPs almost fanatically... :D

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CDs are easier for me to store compared to LPs but I see myself picking up LPs more than often for soundtracks via Mondo.

From a label perspective, we get approached by bands to press LPs more than CDs or tapes, even for a demo. Their preferred format is a 7". I guess there's something definitive about it or allure ... as if it's a sign of legitimacy.

I personally love collecting physical media and part of it is because of the packaging. LP allows for a larger format of whatever it is that works for that release - art work, etc. CD is just the best for longevity and convenience. Tape is definitely more nostalgia driven cos it reminds me of my college years when I couldn't afford to buy CDs.

I don't know what makes the new generation flock to tapes or LPs ... most of it stems from fomo I reckon.


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Vinyl is a novelty at best for me. I own a few vinyl records but only because I couldn't get what I was looking for on CD or tape. Tapes are cool but CDs are king. Why so many people have a seemingly vitriolic hatred for CDs is beyond me. I've had many conversations about this over the years and it still baffles me. Like was stated in the first post, vinyl is temporary. You only get so many plays before it goes from stereo to mono and then before the needle rips through the vinyl. The fact that they cost pennies to make yet retail for $40-$50+ is insane. I remember in the late 90's and early 00's they were selling them (locally) for pennies. I found original pressings of some NWOBHM for nothing, used, but new releases were on par or less than with CDs.

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